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PayPal fees for MFC salesPayPal fees for MFC sales

e-Broe-Bro3 years agoAsk MFC
So I’ve reached the point in my collecting where my most wanted items are those that released a while ago. I’ve really come to rely on the second-hand market, which I’m still trying to fully understand.

Through my wheeling and dealings with MFC members, something I've come to wonder about is PayPal fees. More specifically, assigning responsibility for them.

The PayPal user agreement (I’m sure everyone’s read it) says the recipient of payment will always pay the fee. Most ads I see request the opposite with the buyer covering the PayPal fee.

It doesn’t matter to me what people do, more so why they do it. As many sellers on MFC request using PayPal for completing transactions, how do individuals justify charging the service fee to the buyer? It’s not a matter of right or wrong, just looking for the rationale here. Is it a matter of convenience? Frugality? Is it just a common or accepted practice within the community? Is it in opposition to the PayPal fees in general? Perhaps the buyer should be expected to cover the fee?

I’m sure everyone has their own opinion. Just looking for some perspective from the community since I’m relatively new here. Thanks.
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ponnie (3 years ago) #2869104Well, you have 2 options to send money via PP. Gift or Purchase. So in case you don't want to pay extra for buyer protection, as a buyer you have a choice. Also, it's a buyer who needs protection so I assume it's the buyer who should pay the fee unless the seller already included the fees in the price. Most MFC user sales only feature bare price of the item because it's not an official seller platform which is why it's totally fine to make the buyer pay the fee. You want protection - pay for it.
That's how I see it.
Yeah, you can word it that way, but that's not how PayPal is intended to be used. Sending money as a gift is not supposed to be a cheap way for the buyer to get out of paying the seller's fees for them. It's supposed to be used to send money as a gift. All PayPal buyers of products and services are entitled to protection. It's not supposed to be treated as a premium service that the buyer has to pay extra for. The fee isn't to cover buyer protection, it's a fee sellers are supposed to pay for using PayPal as a platform to make money.
3 years ago
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ponnie ~Donyatsu Huntress~
Well, you have 2 options to send money via PP. Gift or Purchase. So in case you don't want to pay extra for buyer protection, as a buyer you have a choice. Also, it's a buyer who needs protection so I assume it's the buyer who should pay the fee unless the seller already included the fees in the price. Most MFC user sales only feature bare price of the item because it's not an official seller platform which is why it's totally fine to make the buyer pay the fee. You want protection - pay for it.

That's how I see it.
3 years ago
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slice3819 (1 year ago) #29109346I have a question, does myfigurecollection charge listing fees or after sells fees if we sell our collections here?Not to my knowledge. Typically fees are associated with whatever platform is used for the actual transferring of funds, like PayPal.
1 year ago
1pt
I have a question, does myfigurecollection charge listing fees or after sells fees if we sell our collections here?
1 year ago
0pt
In Finland everyone uses free bank transfer for buying stuff. If I included Paypal fees to figure price then potenttial finnish buyer would have to pay extra. That isn't very fair. I think it is better to tell that fee separetly so everyone can choose how do they want to pay.
2 years ago
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vandra (3 years ago) #2868956But shouldn't the differences between private sellers and business-owners be taken into consideration? Private sellers are mostly not professionals, but just people trying to sell some figures to downsize their collection or finance new figures/other living expenses.
Business-owners usually get cheaper packing materials (buying in bulk, can buy at specialized stores), have certain other advantages etc.
Maybe it seems like a long forgotten time, but before paypal, you'd pay via other methods like bank transfer, where people usually expected to get the full amount and not the amount minus fees (without that extensive protection and it still worked).
And I do know some pretty big stores that charge you extra if you want to pay via paypal. So it's not really that unusual...
Even when the buyer pays the fees, he still get's the paypal-protection.
Additionally imagine the impact on group orders - I don't think anybody would want to host if they'd have to pay fees for every single participant.


On top of this part about not making a profit, but maybe this is because I'm European, we are here used to (free!) bank transfers. So when I started to sell outside of Europe and PayPal became the most common option, I was new to the whole fees thing.

Considering I also mainly sell small items, it's quite a killer if a lot of fees come on top, especially if they are currency-exchange fees, which PayPal inflates like crazy. I had 2 really bad experiences with buyers from Singapore using their own currency converted to mine... Even with fee calculators the fees always turns out way higher, no matter the country/currency!

Anyway, I prefer trading over selling because of all this hassle, though. :P Luckily I managed to do a lot of nice trades on MFC! ^^
3 years ago
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nammy (3 years ago) #2875642Straight up asking for fees is poor practise. Just include it in your damn price.
How? You're from Canada. I'm from the US. Shipping to you will cost a different amount to shipping to someone in the States, so the fee on the shipping cost will be different depending on who you sell to.
Its the same thing as including shipping in the "damn price". Its a variable cost.

And since when was it poor practice? Shipping cost is a fee that the post office takes, and that value isn't apparent when you make a purchase unless there is free shipping. So a seller is "straight up" asking to be compensated for shipping expenses in that case. What's so different about PayPal fees that it is suddenly poor practice to ask for it?
3 years ago
5pt
Straight up asking for fees is poor practise. Just include it in your damn price.
3 years ago
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If the seller is expected to cover the fee, people will simple raise the prices.
3 years ago
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Chloe-tsundere The louise otaku
Well i do it cause i offer 2 options, bank transfer (which is free) or paypal. With paypal i make a loss so i ask for the fees.

I could raise the price and cover the fees but that wont make it fair compared to those who pay with bank transfer.

Usually the fee calculators are t exactly right anyways and i still make a small loss, i wont ask for coversge of that tho

Plus i accept gift payments, where the fees are covered. It is the buyers choise to want extra security and just like with insurance option, you just pay for that i guess. I never felt any guilt or had bad feelings about asking for fees.

Im not a business nor did I ever make any profit on my items, i charge what i paid and im just not into a (small) loss

If i can get more than what i paid then i wouldve included the fees, but i dont..
3 years ago
6pt
Years ago before internet and Paypal prominence a person had to go to some currency intermediary (usually a commercial banking and/or savings institution) if the transaction was to take place overseas, between landlocked countries, or across boundaries that used different currencies. And it helped if that individual happened to reside or do business in a large metropolitan area where such exchanges occurred often enough to breed familiarity with the requirements involved negotiating successful transactions when different currencies were involved to facilitate the deal. There were costs inherent in facilitating the different currencies then just as there are costs incurred doing it now in the era of internet. No service is free. You pay, I pay, the outfit known as Paypal has to pay someone to facilitate any global transaction using different currencies.

Also, years ago if one resided in a less populous area where foreign trade was something read about in a newspaper or heard about on TV during the 5 o'clock news hour many of the smaller banks simply refused to accommodate anyone contemplating such commerce because the cost of storing and handling the monies exceeded the value of the service. Thus, if you happened to live out in the boonies or reside in a small town, in order to facilitate a simple overseas transaction meant traveling some distance to a metropolitan area, opening a separate account with a large commercial bank that didn't know you, re-establishing who you are, etc. Think big giant PIA hassle.

So it's interesting to read some of these comments. I use Paypal a lot. They're not my favorite 800-lb gorilla in a small room but I find their service invaluable when it comes time to purchase something beyond the political influence within 1 of the 50 US states where I just happen to reside. I only have to impress 1 batch of idiots within the confines of Paypal one time to get an account started. Through them I have universal access to goods & services anywhere (assuming I have the means to begin with). I do not miss the days where I had to impress, cajole, finagle, finesse every suspecting or ignorant currency gate-keeper just because the color of my money was different than theirs.

Their price of entry / egress is cheap compared to days of old. As for the quibbling of fees incurred: grow up, get over it, get used to it. And if that's not palatable then take your business elsewhere. You're free to choose where it goes and who shall get it. Just keep in mind the other choices won't be "free" either.
3 years ago
11pt
If I wanted buyer to pay the fee(and I always do), I would just increase the price of the item to cover the fee. Sellers always consider the fees involved when pricing their stuff. Even if they don't mention you having to cover the fee, you are already paying for it with a higher price than if there was no fee.
Providing an option to waive the fee with Gift payments, is a way to lower the price, and give options to buyers.

That being said, I'm not one to list a price and then tell the buyer they have to pay an additional fee.
3 years ago
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