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Comments The peculiar case of yaoi hate

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  • Nia-kun11 days ago#97934252I'm not reading all that. Happy for you though, or sorry that happened. Anyway, please educate yourself. Wikipedia is not a source.

    Here. I have more sources.

    raianimeblog.co...

    www.animefemini...

    www.google.com/...

    If you still don’t want to read about it, check this section:

    lgbt.wikia.org/... *japanese vs western usage section*

    It’s been tainted by Western usage. It did not originally mean what most Westerners think it means, it’s a cultural misunderstanding by men who sexualize something made by lesbians for lesbians. Please do the research or don’t claim to understand a topic.
    10 days ago
    dynafire12 days ago#97931317snip

    I'm not reading all that. Happy for you though, or sorry that happened. Anyway, please educate yourself. Wikipedia is not a source.
    11 days ago
    All media is harmful in some way or another. Yaoi is not particularly harmful or damaging to gay culture, if you watch/read it you might be somewhat discomforted, to which my personal suggestion is stop consuming it. That really is the extent of the harm, most who do enjoy it can separate fiction from reality. Furthermore, even those who would have difficulty understanding that what they consume is fiction are outliers, and have no influence over your life. You don't need to pay them any mind, whether you think they're fetishizing you or not. At the very least, don't blame the media for what people do or think, much like violent video games or fanservice in anime, I don't think there is a reasonable argument that it should change or not exist.
    11 days ago
    sougyaranbam12 days ago#97930054at the end of the day, it's all fiction for me and i can separate fiction from reality.Only a little reminder because I read a lot "I can separate fiction from reality". Real life TV shows, movies, novels, western cartoons, videogames, american and european comics, even porn, etc..., are all fiction. I say that because a lot of people seem to think that only japanese animation is fictional and apply "special rules" to it. At the end of the day, most of BL is just drawn/animated porn for women (too men) with a specific fetish like school girls, lesbians or rape for men. People can watch whatever want if they dont hurt anyone but must understand too that other people can feel uncomfortable or even disgusted with it when they are seen like a fetish.
    12 days ago
    Nia-kun12 days ago#97931246Please educate yourself.
    "In 1976, Bungaku Itō [ja], editor of the gay men's magazine Barazoku (薔薇族, lit. "Rose Tribe"), used the term yurizoku (百合族, lit. "lily tribe") in reference to female readers of the magazine in a column of letters titled Yurizoku no Heya (百合族の部屋, lit. "Lily Tribe's Room").[3][4] While not all women whose letters appeared in Yurizoku no Heya were lesbians, and it is unclear whether the column was the first instance of the term yuri in this context, an association of yuri with lesbianism subsequently developed.[5] For example, the tanbi magazine Allan (アラン, Aran) began publishing Yuri Tsūshin (百合通信, "Lily Communication") in July 1983 as a personal ad column for "lesbiennes" to communicate.[6]

    The term came to be associated with lesbian pornographic manga beginning in the 1990s, notably though the manga magazine Lady's Comic Misuto (1996–1999), which heavily featured symbolic lily flowers.[6] When the term yuri began being used in the west in the 1990s, it was similarly used almost exclusively to describe pornographic manga aimed at male readers featuring lesbian couples.[4] Over time, the term drifted from this pornographic connotation to describe the portrayal of intimate love, sex, or emotional connections between women,[7] and became broadly recognized as a genre name for works depicting same-sex female intimacy in the mid-2000s following the founding of the specialized yuri manga magazines Yuri Shimai and Comic Yurihime."
    -Wikipedia
    In the West it was used in a pornographic context, but it's true origin in Japan was by lesbians for lesbians. Just because it's context has been "tainted" by fetishizers doesn't devalue it's original notations, at least in my eyes as a WLW.
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    12 days ago
    dynafire12 days ago#97924640Yuri was made by WLW/NBLW for WLW/NBLW. Yaoi was made by straight women for straight women to enjoy and encourages specific stereotypes that harmful to the LGBT community. Gay men have expressed discomfort with it for years. If they say it's fetishization, it is, and unless you are MLM/NBLM it's not your decision to make.

    Please educate yourself.
    12 days ago
    sarahmad1312 days ago#97931171I'm not forcing you to and I'm not guarding the gate. I happen to think it's a good idea because we were basically all coming into this thread to talk about our thoughts on a certain type of media. You have obviously done what I was suggesting you should do. You came with articles and have clearly spared a few minutes to think about it. I have no idea why you are picking at something you have already done. We all agree that yaoi fan base has toxic elements with people that engage in garbage behavior because the never spare a single thought to what they are reading and how they are letting it morph their behavior in how the treat those they encounter. Most people naturally engage in some forms of self reflection and think about what they read and watch and why they like it. We see the ones that dont and participate in horrible behavior and attitudes. I really do not understand why you are so against a few moments of thought, but that's your business...

    ??? I was literally agreeing with you, I just said I don’t think people need to self-reflect on everything they consume in fiction because it’s entertainment at the end of the day, unless they are hurting real people with their behavior and how they let certain types of fiction fault their already skewed views of certain groups of people. No need for the aggressive reply but ok.
    12 days ago
    Nia-kun12 days ago#97924552

    I'm not forcing you to and I'm not guarding the gate. I happen to think it's a good idea because we were basically all coming into this thread to talk about our thoughts on a certain type of media. You have obviously done what I was suggesting you should do. You came with articles and have clearly spared a few minutes to think about it. I have no idea why you are picking at something you have already done. We all agree that yaoi fan base has toxic elements with people that engage in garbage behavior because the never spare a single thought to what they are reading and how they are letting it morph their behavior in how the treat those they encounter. Most people naturally engage in some forms of self reflection and think about what they read and watch and why they like it. We see the ones that dont and participate in horrible behavior and attitudes. I really do not understand why you are so against a few moments of thought, but that's your business...
    12 days ago
    i do find your insight interesting and can agree with some.
    i get a lot of hate and negative comments by people in my discord server because i'm heavily into the yaoi/bl genre. i generally brush it off, but there are times when i do get peeved off -- for example, my friend and i were talking about yaoi and some person tried to criticize us by asking us why do we keep looking at it so i proceeded to ask them what was wrong with it. their response? "literally male on male." all right, i see you, internalized homophobia.

    although i do have to disagree with the notion of fetishizing gay men as a reason for liking yaoi. i like yaoi because i like ikemen and am attracted by them. add another ikemen with some steamy action and you have my undivided attention.
    at the end of the day, it's all fiction for me and i can separate fiction from reality.
    12 days ago
    Maybe I'm a bit of an outlier here but as a gay guy I enjoy yaoi, to an extent. As many have pointed out there are many harmful tropes and stereotypes that fetishize and pander to straight women, but there's some great yaoi out there and I'm not ashamed to say I enjoy reading it. Perhaps it has to do with the fact that I can see myself in the character's places or can relate to them on some level, and maybe it has to do with the fact that I'm attracted to them. Either way, as a gay guy, I like yaoi. I'm not going to argue that it's not problematic because there does need to be progress to combat fetishization, etc, but for the most part I've never really had a problem with it personally. Would it be great to see gay men writing gay stories? Yes, representation is important. But not every writer has to have experienced what their character's have to write a great story.
    12 days ago
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