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Odin Sphere: Leifdrasir - Grizelda - Gwendolyn - Dress ver. (Flare)

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https://s31.postimg.org/5j71qmryj/Gwendolyn_Dress.gif

Her dress is gorgeous ❤.
Can't wait to see the prototype and don't want to see the price - I'm pretty sure it will kill my wallet...;(
1 year ago
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Free_Phi, this is an original design from the 2007 game so no link with GOT , and sorry but Georges Kamitani is one of the most creative and talented artist, his chara-design are just amazing, just look at the valkyrie version of gwen with the wings... her chara-design is really unique , so sorry, I love GOT but physically daenerys is just a platine girl with dragons... how original !
1 day ago
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Free_Phi (2 days ago) #29734029
I don't know who that is. Did the sculptor cite it as a source???
What style is that? Stormborn style?

Another valkyrie from a japanese cult classic from 98? But if you are going to dismiss that without even checking... (and do mind, we are talking about vanillaware, a japanese company, not some mainstream western company). If we are going to argue on probability, it is more likely to be based on other things. The japanese in general hardly know much about Tolkien, let alone George R R Martin. They are not that interested in western literature. If it is indeed based on GoT, I don't care either, but the point is that it is unlikely.

But apparently, all you care is that your opinion is correct and "there's no doubt this is clearly draenyrs", so good luck with that mentality. riringo already addressed your points nicely, no need to repeat it.

Edit: And just an added note with regards to your last point, I meant no offense to TeaKatt, I'm sorry if it looked that way.

The discrepancies with the artwork look more like a difference in style and maybe having other artworks as a basis (some other originals look a little more similar than the one used as a poster here), and this one just as a guide. It's clear they weren't trying to copy it exactly like they did with her other two recent figures. It's very commonplace for artists to use multiple references. Would be fun to have a "behind the scenes" interview on these 3 new figures, doesn't look like their announcement dates (and year, as 2017 marks 10 years of the original Odin Sphere) were a coincidence, there may have been more planning on them than it looks.
2 days ago
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Free_Phi (2 days ago) #29734029The violet eyes are the giveaway. This is picked up from Daeny's description in the ASoI&F book series.
But Gwendolyn's eyes are violet. Look at Alter's scale from 2008 or Yamato's scale from 2011. They're both a shade of blue-purple. Even the artwork from the game has her with the same eye colour. On a wider scale, violet eyes are not unique to Daenerys... in fact it's a common characteristic for Japanese character deigns. In fact I can think of several artists who seems to have a fetish for that particular eye shade.

Free_Phi (2 days ago) #29734029Blend that with the elegiac, mournful vibe of her depiction on GoT, and you've got this character.
Once again, that quality isn't unique to Daeny. Gwen is a valkyrie warrior princess who is struggling with self identity/discovery, so it makes sense why she's elegant and mournful. This figure is literally based on a scene that appears in the original game, I don't see what this has to do with Daeny except it has a similar mood.

Free_Phi (2 days ago) #29734029Not sure what you mean by "doesn't matter."
I meant I wouldn't be pressed if Gwen WAS influenced by Daenerys (i.e. I'm not super invested in her character design being 100% original or not).

Free_Phi (2 days ago) #29734029Okay, so your less observant and perceptive than Teakatt. So what?
Again, this merely bespeaks the limitations of your powers of perception and pattern recognition.

What makes you think I'm ignorant rather than the other way around? Have you considered that maybe I've just seen and read so much that none of these qualities are exclusively unique to or scream Daenerys to me?

Free_Phi (2 days ago) #29734029Influence is not necessarily conscious. Any time an artist revisits or updates a character, he essentially throws it in a blender with everything that colored the pop-culture zeitgeist since the original was created. Daeny's "scent" is unmistakable in this piece.
I never said Gwen was 100% NOT influenced by Daeny, I just said it was equally likely she wasn't. Also it's ironic you're lecturing me about the creative process when I make my living in the creative arts field. Not that you'd know of course, but I wouldn't go around assuming everyone who disagrees with you are uncultured idiots if I were you.

Just to be clear, I wasn't arguing against Gwen being influenced by Daenerys in some way (because I don't care if she was). What I was question was your leap in logic: "there is absolutely no doubt that this figure is highly influenced by the HBO GoT character".
2 days ago
9pt
I would say that someone is getting very condescending and needs to go back to their GoT fancave where they belong. :P
2 days ago
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Kaneel on Ice
Free_Phi (2 days ago) #29734029snip

This conversation is getting
a) pretty offtopic and
b) really onesided

and
c) you managed to quote a comment several months old
please check your settings/
and mark " Display full dates" to avoid at least c

Thanks
2 days ago
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Free_Phi Meta-Sentient Cyber-Imp
riringo (3 days ago) #29722166Why GoT specifically though?
The violet eyes are the giveaway. This is picked up from Daeny's description in the ASoI&F book series. Blend that with the elegiac, mournful vibe of her depiction on GoT, and you've got this character.

riringo (3 days ago) #29722166It doesn't matter if she was GoT inspired in some way,
Not sure what you mean by "doesn't matter." Teakatt just made an astute and apt comparison, and a provocative observation, and got quicly shouted down by a very small-minded and short-sighted voice. This whole forum is for discussing toys, which by and large don't "matter" by most metrics...

riringo (3 days ago) #29722166 I'm a GoT fan and Daenerys isn't the first thing that comes to my mind when I see this sculpt,
Okay, so your less observant and perceptive than Teakatt. So what?
riringo (3 days ago) #29722166The only similarities I can see are her white long hair, large round eyes and expression, but those are all part of her original design, so I can't really see how "there's absolutely no doubt" that she's influenced by Daenerys ...
Again, this merely bespeaks the limitations of your powers of perception and pattern recognition.
riringo (3 days ago) #29722166I can definitely see similarities, but saying it's a conscious influence feels like a leap. :\
Influence is not necessarily conscious. Any time an artist revisits or updates a character, he essentially throws it in a blender with everything that colored the pop-culture zeitgeist since the original was created. Daeny's "scent" is unmistakable in this piece.
Gwenwyfar (2 days ago) #29729629Yep, and this character has been like this even before GoT and created way before GoT was even a thing, so... I still doubt it, unless we have quotes from the artists to go by.
Oh come now, that's a discourse-crippling, reductionist, dismissive mindset entirely hostile to interesting and valid argument. You essentially dismiss any original thought a priori. I sense that that's comforting to you because it limits the universe of things you need to think about, but many like to indulge in intuition and inference...
Gwenwyfar (2 days ago) #29729629No one will ever know for sure unless they say so.
Again, so what? Then what makes your rigid, simplistic dismissal more valid than Teakatt's fascinating and impressive sentiments?
Gwenwyfar (2 days ago) #29729629if anything this reminds me more of Lenneth.
I don't know who that is. Did the sculptor cite it as a source??? Gwenwyfar (2 days ago) #29729629Its as riringo has said, this style is common.
What style is that? Stormborn style?
Gwenwyfar (2 days ago) #29729629And surely they don't use just a single artwork as a basis.
Wait...who am I hearing right now?
Gwenwyfar (2 days ago) #29729629TeaKatt: Yep, I just wanted to point out I find it unlikely, nothing more. Sorry about that. Cheers :)
Alright good show of sportsmanship in the end there. I'll admit that I'm deliberately overstating my case to make a point. I hate to see interesting, ingenuous suggestions like Teakatt's dismissed out of hand...and with unnecessary sharpness...
2 days ago
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Free_Phi (3 days ago) #29717618There is absolutely no doubt that this figure is highly influenced by the HBO GoT character.
You do realize that artists draw inspiration from multiple sources when creating a new work?

Yep, and this character has been like this even before GoT and created way before GoT was even a thing, so... I still doubt it, unless we have quotes from the artists to go by. No one will ever know for sure unless they say so.

Personally I still see no reason why this would be the case, if anything this reminds me more of Lenneth. Its as riringo has said, this style is common.

@Comments regarding the original artwork, I don't think the figure would have turned that good if they had followed that particular drawing to the core. The color for one would look simply off. And surely they don't use just a single artwork as a basis.

TeaKatt: Yep, I just wanted to point out I find it unlikely, nothing more. Sorry about that. Cheers :)
2 days ago
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Gwenwyfar (3 days ago) #29714538It was based off the source material, there's an image of the original artwork in some of the photos, and other than that that's just how the character is. I highly doubt they took inspiration off anywhere else really, and the game came much before GoT. Just a coincidence.

I was just thinking out loud because I noticed a few people commented saying that her face looked off from the source art and both Gwen and Daenerys have a lot in common. Also it's pretty common for everyone to take a little inspiration off of each other, nothing wrong about that. I am a little sad that you are approaching me like I am not a fan of this character. We're both just here to appreciate some good sculpts.

Anyways thanks for taking the time to read and reply :)

EDIT: Just because I feel like this observation is kind of getting out of hand, please remember that no one here is the original artist or the sculptor. Its all just conjecture and interpretation!
3 days ago
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Free_Phi (3 days ago) #29717618There is absolutely no doubt that this figure is highly influenced by the HBO GoT character.
You do realize that artists draw inspiration from multiple sources when creating a new work?

Why GoT specifically though? It doesn't matter if she was GoT inspired in some way, but I'm a GoT fan and Daenerys isn't the first thing that comes to my mind when I see this sculpt, since there are many Japanese artists who have a similar style to this. The only similarities I can see are her white long hair, large round eyes and expression, but those are all part of her original design, so I can't really see how "there's absolutely no doubt" that she's influenced by Daenerys when she's just as likely could have been inspired by anything else (and not by GoT at all).

Like, I can definitely see similarities, but saying it's a conscious influence feels like a leap. :\
3 days ago
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Free_Phi Meta-Sentient Cyber-Imp
Gwenwyfar (3 days ago) #29714538It was based off the source material, there's an image of the original artwork in some of the photos, and other than that that's just how the character is. I highly doubt they took inspiration off anywhere else really, and the game came much before GoT. Just a coincidence.

There is absolutely no doubt that this figure is highly influenced by the HBO GoT character.
You do realize that artists draw inspiration from multiple sources when creating a new work?
3 days ago
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