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  • figuresuki
    figuresukiRegular Boarder • lv7
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    #21
    14 days ago
    some more details, if anyone can actually understand this
    www.gov.uk/guid...

    Hard to work out how overseas suppliers register and when they need to

    It mentions an overseas marketplace, but most of the companies i order from have their own website, so it's not great requirement.

    Will keep looking to work out what it might mean but clearly they are expecting overseas sellers to collect vat and pay to hmrc somehow
  • EsmeAllan
    EsmeAllanRegular Boarder • lv13
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    #22
    14 days ago
    figuresuki14 days ago#89666521some more details, if anyone can actually understand this
    www.gov.uk/guid...
    Hard to work out how overseas suppliers register and when they need to
    It mentions an overseas marketplace, but most of the companies i order from have their own website, so it's not great requirement.
    Will keep looking to work out what it might mean but clearly they are expecting overseas sellers to collect vat and pay to hmrc somehow


    After reading the above myself a few days ago I'm now waiting on buying a few things/shipping a few parcels to see what online shops have to say about having to have the VAT paid immediately. I am not paying that 8 pounds handling charge now that I should be paying for the VAT at checkout.

    EBay implemented immediate payment of VAT immediately, I can only assume this change could happen so quickly because it's a UK site. Really wondering how long it'll take the Japanese online shops to introduce payment of VAT upfront and as you say, how. It's pretty hard to comprehend the actual facts of that page you linked and I have no idea if there is something in place for the collection of VAT.

    I'm coming to terms with the fact I'll have to wait and see but I can't ignore the fact I can't help but feel like there isn't anything in place and we'll be stuck paying VAT on everything without prepayment for some time which means that handling fee on every parcel from Japan.

    Regularly checking every online site I use for news, nothing from anybody yet. I'd expect bigger retailers like AmiAmi and Mandarake to be more likely to sort things out sooner. I'll let people know here as soon as anyone says anything.
  • xcupidxstuntx
    xcupidxstuntxRegular Boarder • lv20
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    #23
    13 days ago
    EsmeAllan14 days ago#89680821After reading the above myself a few days ago I'm now waiting on buying a few things/shipping a few parcels to see what online shops have to say about having to have the VAT paid immediately. I am not paying that 8 pounds handling charge now that I should be paying for the VAT at checkout.
    EBay implemented immediate payment of VAT immediately, I can only assume this change could happen so quickly because it's a UK site. Really wondering how long it'll take the Japanese online shops to introduce payment of VAT upfront and as you say, how. It's pretty hard to comprehend the actual facts of that page you linked and I have no idea if there is something in place for the collection of VAT.
    I'm coming to terms with the fact I'll have to wait and see but I can't ignore the fact I can't help but feel like there isn't anything in place and we'll be stuck paying VAT on everything without prepayment for some time which means that handling fee on every parcel from Japan.
    Regularly checking every online site I use for news, nothing from anybody yet. I'd expect bigger retailers like AmiAmi and Mandarake to be more likely to sort things out sooner. I'll let people know here as soon as anyone says anything.


    Thanks for this - it's still quite confusing...So if a shop doesn't do the prepayment, will customs send the parcel back, or do we just pay the VAT + handling as normal/previously?

    AmiAmi had a notice about collecting a tax for New Zealand on their homepage, which sounds similar to this, so I assume they will eventually offer the same for us?
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  • kamikazilucas
    kamikazilucasRegular Boarder • lv8
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    #24
    13 days ago
    ok i got a item from japan today that had 6000 yen on the invoice and for some reason it didnt get charged with any import, so maybe they have just completely stopped it period for items under 135 idk
  • Kuromii
    KuromiiRegular Boarder • lv18
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    #25
    13 days ago
    This is so confusing. Are we going to get customs charges on everything even if valued under 2000 yen now? That's insane.
  • EsmeAllan
    EsmeAllanRegular Boarder • lv13
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    #26
    13 days ago • Updated 13 days ago
    xcupidxstuntx13 days ago#89689075Thanks for this - it's still quite confusing...So if a shop doesn't do the prepayment, will customs send the parcel back, or do we just pay the VAT + handling as normal/previously?
    AmiAmi had a notice about collecting a tax for New Zealand on their homepage, which sounds similar to this, so I assume they will eventually offer the same for us?


    Honestly I'm not 100% sure but I'm pretty sure the amount of parcels being sent back to Japan would be insane if they started sending them back if VAT had not been paid so I think we'll just be paying the VAT as we're used to doing, just on everything, even if it's valued under 15 pounds.

    kamikazilucas13 days ago#89689245ok i got a item from japan today that had 6000 yen on the invoice and for some reason it didnt get charged with any import, so maybe they have just completely stopped it period for items under 135 idk

    When did it get shipped? The old rules still apply for all parcels sent before 2021. If not, it could just be it slipped through? I'm not sure. Or perhaps they're just taking parcels through, assuming that the VAT has been paid - surely not though, I'd assume the parcels will say on them whether VAT has been paid or not?

    Kuromii13 days ago#89689354This is so confusing. Are we going to get customs charges on everything even if valued under 2000 yen now? That's insane.

    Yup, sadly. If things sort out the way they should, the extra you have to pay for something valued 2000 yen should only be another 400 yen so it's not too bad. But right now what we're theorising about is what we have to pay before online shops start requiring us to pay that 400 yen or however much the VAT may be upfront.
  • kamikazilucas
    kamikazilucasRegular Boarder • lv8
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    #27
    13 days ago
    EsmeAllan13 days ago#89689709Honestly I'm not 100% sure but I'm pretty sure the amount of parcels being sent back to Japan would be insane if they started sending them back if VAT had not been paid so I think we'll just be paying the VAT as we're used to doing, just on everything, even if it's valued under 15 pounds.
    When did it get shipped? The old rules still apply for all parcels sent before 2021. If not, it could just be it slipped through? I'm not sure. Or perhaps they're just taking parcels through, assuming that the VAT has been paid - surely not though, I'd assume the parcels will say on them whether VAT has been paid or not?
    Yup, sadly. If things sort out the way they should, the extra you have to pay for something valued 2000 yen should only be another 400 yen so it's not too bad. But right now what we're theorising about is what we have to pay before online shops start requiring us to pay that 400 yen or however much the VAT may be upfront.

    it was shipped last year but last year i would have gotten hit with it being 6000 yen so
  • EsmeAllan
    EsmeAllanRegular Boarder • lv13
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    #28
    13 days ago
    kamikazilucas13 days ago#89689718it was shipped last year but last year i would have gotten hit with it being 6000 yen so

    Very true. I've always had parcels slipping through without fees and stuff but honestly what I've always had to come to terms with with all this customs stuff is it's almost impossible to apply any logic to what gets charged and what doesn't.

    Maybe I will buy something from AmiAmi just to see what happens with the customs fees once it gets to the UK.
  • kamikazilucas
    kamikazilucasRegular Boarder • lv8
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    #29
    13 days ago
    EsmeAllan13 days ago#89689758Very true. I've always had parcels slipping through without fees and stuff but honestly what I've always had to come to terms with with all this customs stuff is it's almost impossible to apply any logic to what gets charged and what doesn't.
    Maybe I will buy something from AmiAmi just to see what happens with the customs fees once it gets to the UK.

    im getting a figma next week shipped but let me know what happens with your package lol
  • Kuromii
    KuromiiRegular Boarder • lv18
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    #30
    13 days ago
    I should have an undervalued figure arriving next week so will keep you guys updated on what happens.
  • Carmina
    CarminaRegular Boarder • lv16
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    #31
    13 days ago
    I got a package from GSC shipped before the New Year got £4 odd VAT plus £12 handling charge, which given the value of the parcel was £80 sounds like they actually undercharged me. I have several pre-orders from BiJ and I would like to have some idea of whether I'll be able to actually receive them! (Honestly I can suck it up if it just means paying VAT on everything but if places stop shipping here entirely it will mean losing out on several things)
  • figuresuki
    figuresukiRegular Boarder • lv7
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    #32
    13 days ago
    I don't think anything will get sent back if the VAT is not paid at source, if the VAT has not been collected and not indicated on the import form then the courier is liable and as far as i can tell they like to add their admin charge so you will just get a charge from the courier plus the vat that i payable.

    I guess the intent here was to try to cut down on the numbers of parcels that get stuck in customs waiting for duties to be collected but has the knock on effect of pushing the collection of the vat to companies outside the UK, not really ideal for small retailers.

    I could not find anything to indicate how much it costs for them to register, although i did see some details indicating they can appoint a representative to make the payments to HMRC.

    Trying to find anything similar, looks like they do something a little like this in the US, see blog.taxjar.com...

    Here is one for new zealand
    www.bdo.global/...

    So it's not just the UK, just looks like lots of different thresholds.
  • Yasuko
    YasukoRegular Boarder • lv10
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    #33
    9 days ago
    Honestly I'm quite confused by it all.
    I saw something that said import charges would stay the same (which I'm fine with, so long as I don't have to pay those stupid "handling" fees from Parcel Force or Royal Mail).

    Although I did hear that items under £135 won't get charges...

    So yeah I still don't know what's going on.

    But I'll have a package coming from Japan in the next 2-3 weeks, so I guess I'll just see what happens with that.
  • Hoechan
    HoechanRegular Boarder • lv6
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    #34
    8 days ago
    I have just received letter from Parcel Force to pay for my custom. I still have to pay them the £12 for handling fees and 20% import VAT. My order is around £250 so not surprised with the letter but seems like nothing change.

    I don't know if you guys notice or not but I tried to randomly put figures to PO on Amazon JP and some doesn't have "import fees & deposit". The highest price I went with this one was ¥19,170 but what I did notice is that the price went a bit higher during check out to ¥20,912 and this was in stock figure with the pre-order figure is also the same no "import fees & deposit" for figure under certain price but the price went higher during check out when usually the price should be lower cause of pre-order. Here is an example of that: prnt.sc/wml04g
    The original price for the figure is ¥14,405 on Amazon JP.

    I don't know if this help in any sort of way just want to let you guys know this cause maybe they don't charge us with handling fees with items under certain amount??
  • Heartlessxox1
    Heartlessxox1Regular Boarder • lv10
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    #35
    8 days ago
    Hoechan8 days ago#89992728I have just received letter from Parcel Force to pay for my custom. I still have to pay them the £12 for handling fees and 20% import VAT. My order is around £250 so not surprised with the letter but seems like nothing change.
    I don't know if you guys notice or not but I tried to randomly put figures to PO on Amazon JP and some doesn't have "import fees & deposit". The highest price I went with this one was ¥19,170 but what I did notice is that the price went a bit higher during check out to ¥20,912 and this was in stock figure with the pre-order figure is also the same no "import fees & deposit" for figure under certain price but the price went higher during check out when usually the price should be lower cause of pre-order. Here is an example of that: prnt.sc/wml04g
    The original price for the figure is ¥14,405 on Amazon JP.
    I don't know if this help in any sort of way just want to let you guys know this cause maybe they don't charge us with handling fees with items under certain amount??


    Thank you for the information but since your package is over £135 the rules have changed for you so you still have to pay handling fee. However, if it's under £135 then it may be that there's not handling fee, and it also depends on whether your package was shipped before the 1st of January or not.
  • tharglet
    thargletRegular Boarder • lv19
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    #36
    8 days ago
    Yasuko9 days ago#89991326Honestly I'm quite confused by it all.
    I saw something that said import charges would stay the same (which I'm fine with, so long as I don't have to pay those stupid "handling" fees from Parcel Force or Royal Mail).
    Although I did hear that items under £135 won't get charges...
    So yeah I still don't know what's going on.
    But I'll have a package coming from Japan in the next 2-3 weeks, so I guess I'll just see what happens with that.


    There seems to be a lot of confusion. No, courier clearance fees aren't magically going away - if you require them to perform clearance, they will charge what they charge. With LVCR being scrapped, that means you can get VAT on a £1 item, so end up paying, say, £8.20 if RM performs the clearance.

    Where the avoidance of the fees comes in is that the UK hopes to enforce on retailers to collect VAT for items under £135 (and attempt to fine them if they refuse). If the retailers are collecting VAT, that means the parcel won't need to be cleared, as the VAT has already been collected. The retailers will be given a *something* to put on the parcel so the Border Force know that VAT has been collected on that specific parcel.

    Over £135 will need to be assessed for duty, so those will proceed as they do now.
  • EsmeAllan
    EsmeAllanRegular Boarder • lv13
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    #37
    8 days ago
    Found a notice on Zenmarket addressed to Australian customers where they talk about how they will collct an extra 10% when you pay for shipping. I assume this is how things will work for people in the UK, too.

    Now the only question is, when will they start collecting the VAT? Soon? Or does it take a while for this sort of thing to be put in place?
  • Titan_Scientist
    Titan_ScientistRegular Boarder • lv20
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    #38
    7 days ago
    At this point I mainly buy nendoroids so I've switched to Gamersheek for all my pre-orders. The Tories have done their routine of fucking up everything they can and I can't be arsed with it all.
  • kamikazilucas
    kamikazilucasRegular Boarder • lv8
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    #39
    7 days ago
    yeah ok i talked to my mp and he said that all orders under 135 pounds are assumed to have vat so probably wont get a handling fee, very good news
  • hamuman
    hamumanRegular Boarder • lv5
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    #40
    7 days ago • Updated 7 days ago
    Hoechan8 days ago#89992728I have just received letter from Parcel Force to pay for my custom. I still have to pay them the £12 for handling fees and 20% import VAT. My order is around £250 so not surprised with the letter but seems like nothing change.
    I don't know if you guys notice or not but I tried to randomly put figures to PO on Amazon JP and some doesn't have "import fees & deposit". The highest price I went with this one was ¥19,170 but what I did notice is that the price went a bit higher during check out to ¥20,912 and this was in stock figure with the pre-order figure is also the same no "import fees & deposit" for figure under certain price but the price went higher during check out when usually the price should be lower cause of pre-order. Here is an example of that: prnt.sc/wml04g
    The original price for the figure is ¥14,405 on Amazon JP.
    I don't know if this help in any sort of way just want to let you guys know this cause maybe they don't charge us with handling fees with items under certain amount??


    When you order from the seller amazon.co.jp, the VAT is now directly added to the item initial price. For example, in your screenshot, the invoice in the bottom:
    - ¥14,405 (10% of Japanese tax included)
    - ¥13,095 (= 14,405 / 1.1 without tax)
    - ¥15,714 (= 13,095 * 1.2 with 20% UK VAT)

    In the end, the price with UK VAT increases by about 9.1% compared to the price with Japanese tax. That's also why the ¥19,170 becomes ¥20,912 = ¥19,170*1.091

    I'm not sure if the shipping & handling cost includes the VAT but I don't think so.

    On the first invoice, the VAT was calculated on the value of
    - the item (without tax) = ¥13,095
    - its shipping.

    I guess we save money by not paying the VAT on the shipping anymore (?).

    And I never had to deal with additional fees (royal mail/parcel force) or whatever when I bought from the seller amazon.co.jp, since I already paid the VAT.
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